Last year, Lunch with the AFR was a largely virtual affair. But this year, as the world entered its second year of the coronavirus pandemic, interviewers and interviewees could catch up in person.

And in a fitting follow-up to 2020’s viral lunch with Nobel prize-winning scientist and living national treasure Peter Doherty, this year’s subjects didn’t hold back when discussing their thoughts on some of the biggest issues confronting the business and wider world.