Hearing two self-proclaimed design nerds wax lyrical about social housing and mid-century cutlery might seem as compelling as listening to paint dry. But when said nerds are Kevin McCloud, the long-standing presenter of the hit British TV series Grand Designs, and the comedian and author Tim Ross (aka the Modernister), it’s well worth a listen.

Now, on a podcast called Tim and Kev’s Big Design Adventure, you can.