US Presidential Debate live blog: ‘If Biden was in charge, 700,000 would be dead’, says Trump
Donald Trump and Joe Biden traded barbs over each other’s finances, the US Covid response and racism.
- ‘If Biden was in charge, 700,000 would be dead’
- Trump at fundraiser, Biden stays inside
- Trump’s chance to get back on track
Welcome to The Australian’s rolling coverage of the second and final presidential debate. As expected, Donald Trump pressed Joe Biden on his son’s business dealings, but the Democrat presidential nominee hit right back. Here’s how it played out.
EXPERTS’ VERDICT: Who won the debate?
Cameron Stewart 3.05pm: Candidates make final pitch to voters
Donald Trump and Joe Biden have clashed in their final debate with both men sparring over the coronavirus tragedy, the economy and the Biden family’s foreign business dealings.
Their second and last presidential debate in Nashville was more civil than the brawling first debate as both candidates tried to make their final pitch to voters with less than two weeks left until the election.
Mr Trump tried repeatedly to attack Mr Biden on the question of whether he or his son Hunter Biden profited from business dealing in Ukraine or China while Mr Biden was vice president.
“I don’t make money from China, you do,” Mr Trump said. “I don’t make money from Ukraine, you do. You made $3.5 million and your son gave you...10 per cent to the big man, you’re the big man I think,’ Mr Trump said, referring to allegations from a former business partner of Hunter Biden.
Mr Biden said: “I have not taken a penny from any foreign source ever in my life. I have released all my tax returns. 22 years. Look at them. You have not released a single solitary year of your tax returns. What are you hiding?”
“Look there is a reason why he (Trump) is bringing up all this malarkey. He doesn’t want to talk about the substance of the issues. It is not about his family and my family, it is about your family and your family is hurting badly.”
Mr Biden’s most aggressive attack was over Mr Trump’s management of the coronavirus.
“220,000 Americans dead. If you hear nothing else I say tonight, hear this. Anyone who is responsible for not taking control...saying ‘I take no responsibility’...anyone who is responsible for that many deaths should not remain as president of the United States.”
“This is the fella who told you, ‘don’t worry, we’re going to end this by summer.’ We are about to go into a dark winter, a dark winter. And he has no clear plan and there is no prospect that there is going to be a vaccine available for a majority of the American people before the middle of next year,” Mr Biden said.
Mr Trump said that 2.2 million people could have died if he had not taken action and that a vaccine was coming “within weeks”.
“It will go away, we are rounding the corner, it is going away,” he said of the virus which is currently infecting more than 65,000 Americans a day.
The president said the economy needed to reopen regardless of the virus. “We are learning to live with it, we have no choice, we can’t lock ourselves up in a basement like Joe does.”
Mr Biden retorted: “He says we are learning to live with it, people are learning to die with it.’
Mr Trump accused Mr Biden of wanting to shut down the entire country. “All he does is talk about shutdown (but) we have to open our country or we’re not going to have a country,” Mr Trump said.
“I’m going to shut down the virus, not the country,” Mr Biden replied.
On other issues, both candidates sparred angrily over health care, with Mr Biden accusing the president of wanting to scrap Obamacare and leave 22 million Americans without insurance despite not having a backup plan.
“There is no way he can protect pre-existing conditions. Nine. Zero ... he has never come up with a plan,’ Mr Biden said, referring to the fact Mr Trump has not released a health care plan.
Mr Trump attacked Mr Biden over border security, saying the Obama-Biden administration’s “catch and release” policy had been a disaster which had allowed criminals to infiltrate the US.
Mr Biden attacked the president on the revelation this week that more than 500 children who were separated from their parents at the border under the Trump administration’s policies have not yet been reunited with their parents.
The former vice president ended the debate with a final pitch for voters, saying “what is on the ballot here is the character of this country. Decency, honour, respect, treating people with dignity...you haven’t been getting that the last four years”.
The debate was the last major event between the two candidates before the election on November 3.
(Cameron Stewart is also US Contributor for Sky News Australia)
Imogen Reid 2.05pm: President grilled on immigrant children
Next, the President was grilled on the issue of immigration.
Ms Welker asked Mr Trump how he plans to reunite more than 500 children with their parents who were torn apart under the discontinued policy of separating children and undocumented parents at the border.
“Mr President, your administration separated children from their parents at the border. At least 4000 kids. You have since reversed the zero tolerance policy, but the US cannot locate the parents of more than 500 children. So how will these families ever be reunited?” Kristen Welker asked.
President Trump and Joe Biden clashed over how more than 500 children should be reunited with their parents after they were separated at the US border.
— CNN (@CNN) October 23, 2020
Biden: "It makes us a laughingstock and violates every notion of who we are as a nation." #Debates2020 https://t.co/qkuaao0Myg pic.twitter.com/1XWYdTLTuz
To which Mr Trump said: “Children are brought here by Coyotes, and lots of bad people, cartels, and they are brought here and they used to use them to get into our country.
“We now have as strong a border as we have ever had. We have over 400 miles of brand new wall. You see the numbers. We let people in, but they have to come in legally.”
But Mr Biden pressed on, asking how the president plans to reunite the children with their families.
“Yes, we are trying very hard. But a lot of these kids come out without the parents. They come over through cartels and through Coyotes,” said Mr Trump.
His response bothered Mr Biden who responded by saying the children entered the country with their parents, not “coyotes”.
“They got separated from their parents, and it makes us a laughing stock, and violates every notion of who we are as a nation.”
Imogen Reid 1.59pm: Paris Accord ‘would have destroyed our business’: Trump
Moving on to the very different visions the two opponents have on climate change, Mr Welker asked the candidates to outline how they plan to deal with climate change while supporting job growth.
Mr Trump defended his decision to pull out of the Paris Accord to set international carbon emission standards, saying it would have “destroyed our business” and cost the country “trillions of dollars.”
“I will not sacrifice tens of millions of jobs,” Trump said.
Mr Biden responded by arguing the treaty would have dealt with the climate crisis.
“Climate change, global warming is an existential threat to humanity,” Mr Biden said.
“We have a moral obligation to deal with it and we are told by all of the leading scientists in the world that we don’t have much time. We’re going to pass the point of no return.
“We’re going to be in a position where we’re going to take 4 million existing buildings and 2 million existing homes and retrofit them so they don’t leak as much energy, saving hundreds of millions of barrels of oil in the process and creating significant numbers of jobs.
“And by the way, the whole idea of what this is going to do is create millions of jobs, and it is going to clean the environment.”
Mr Biden added that he did not support the Green New Deal that was introduced by liberal Democrats in Congress earlier in the year, but does support a plan that would transition the economy into a green environment.
Imogen Reid 1.47pm: ‘I ran because of you’, Trump tells Biden
Mr Trump has told his opponent that he ran for president four years ago because Mr Biden and Barack Obama did a “poor job”.
“If I thought you did a good job I would never have run. I would never have run,” he said.
Turning to face the camera, Mr Biden said: “I tell you what, I hope he does look at me, because what is happening here is – you know who I am and you know who he is, you know his character and my character. You know our reputations for honour and telling the truth. I am anxious to have this race, anxious to see this take place. The character of the country is on the ballot, and look at us closely.”
Mr Trump hit back by bringing up the allegations made against Hunter Biden for the second time in the debate.
“If this stuff is true about Russia, Ukraine, China, other countries, if this is true, he is a corrupt politician.
“Don’t give me this stuff about how you are this innocent baby. So, they are calling you a corrupt politician. The laptop from hell.
“You mean the laptop is now another Russia, Prussia, Russia hoax. You’ve got to be kidding.”
Staff writers 1.42pm: Trump attacks Biden over 1994 crime bill
Both candidates said they understood why black and brown families had to tell their children they could be discriminated against, including by police, but accused one another of being racist.
Former Vice President Joe Biden accused President Trump of halting progress toward equality.
“I am the least racist person in this room,” Mr. Trump said, citing the criminal justice reform that his administration worked with congress to pass. “With the exception of Abraham Lincoln, possible exception, but the exception of Abraham Lincoln nobody has done what I’ve done.”
“Abraham Lincoln here is one of the most racist presidents we’ve had in modern history, he pours fuel on every single racist fire,” Mr. Biden quipped. “This guy has a dog whistle about as big as a fog horn.”
Mr. Trump responded that Mr. Biden had helped shepherd the 1994 crime bill. He has been criticised for multiple laws passed in the 1980s and 1990s that critics say added to the number of minorities in prison.
The president accused Mr. Biden of using the term “super-predator” to describe minority youths in trying to sell his tough-on-crime proposal that he shepherded into law when he was in the U.S. Senate and serving as the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee.
“You have done nothing other than the crime bill, which put tens of thousands of black men mostly in jail,” Mr. Trump said.
It was then-First Lady Hillary Clinton who was best known for using the phrase “super-predators” in the context of advocating for the crime bill — which was supported by many Democrats at the time amid concerns about persistently high crime. Mr. Biden said supporting bills related to drugs during that time were a mistake.
“It was a mistake. I’ve been trying to change it since then, particularly the portion on cocaine,” he said. “It was a mistake to pass those laws related to drugs. But they were not in the crime bill.”
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Brighette Ryan 1.38pm: Biden tells of institutional racism in the US
Former Vice President Joe Biden says he understands why people of colour fear that their children could be targeted by police because of the colour of their skin.
The moderator, Kristen Welker, described “the talk” that many parents in America have with their children.
“It happens regardless of class and income — parents who feel they have no choice but to prepare their children for the chance that they could be targeted, including by the police, for no reason other than the colour of their skin,” Welker said.
“Do you understand why these parents fear for their children?
“I do. I do. You know, my daughter is a social worker,” Mr Biden responded.
“I never had to tell my daughter, if she is pulled over, make sure she puts both hands on top
of the wheel and don’t reach for the glove box, because someone may shoot you.
“Making sure that in fact, if you get pulled over, just yes, sir, no, sir, hands on top of the wheel, because you are in fact the victim, whether you are a person making $300,000 dollars a year, or someone who is on food stamps.”
“The fact of the matter is, there is institutional racism in America.”
Imogen Reid 1.30pm: $15 minimum wage ‘would put companies out of business’
The two candidates have disagreed when it comes to instituting a minimum wage of $15, with Mr Trump claiming it would put many companies out of business and that the decision should come down to the states.
Mr Biden rescinded that it is “simply not true” that the move would hurt businesses.
“No one should work one job, two jobs below poverty,” Mr Biden said.
He said that many frontline healthcare workers during the pandemic were making below $15.
“They deserve a minimum wage of $15 and anything below that puts them in poverty.”
Imogen Reid 1.22pm: Candidates clash over health coverage
The next topic up for discussion was healthcare.
The President said he would like to terminate Obamacare “with a brand new, beautiful healthcare”.
“Joe Biden is going to terminate all of those policies. These are people who love their healthcare,” Mr Trump said.
“Under what he wants to do, which will basically be socialised medicine, he won’t even have a choice, they want to terminate 180 million million plans. We have done an incredible job on healthcare and we are going to do even better.”
Mr Biden said Mr Trump’s debate was “ridiculous” and rebutted by saying he does not believe healthcare is a privilege, but a right.
“We’ll always protect people with pre-existing [conditions].†-@realDonaldTrump pic.twitter.com/icE5JSbRmn
— GOP (@GOP) October 23, 2020
“Everybody should have the right to affordable healthcare, and I’m very proud of my plan,” he said.
“How many of you at home are worried about and rolling around in your bed tonight worried about what in God’s name you’re going to do if you get sick, because you have lost your health insurance?”
Mr Trump hit back by saying his opponent had eight years as vice president to introduce affordable healthcare.
“He wants socialised medicine, and it is not that he wants it. His vice president, I mean, she is more liberal than Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders wants it, Democrats want it. You’re going to have socialised medicine.”
Mr Biden replied by simply saying Mr Trump “is a very confused guy”.
Imogen Reid 1.12pm: Biden criticises Trump over North Korea
The debate heated up when Mr Trump’s relationship with North Korean Leader Kim Jong-un was brought into question.
Mr Biden criticised the President for “legitimising North Korea” through his relationship with its leader, who Mr Biden claims is nothing more than a “thug”.
Mr Trump responded by saying it is important to have good relationships with other leader.
“You know what, North Korea, we’re not in a war, we have a good relationship. Having a good relationship with leaders of other countries is a good thing,” Mr. Trump said.
In 2019, Mr Trump became the first sitting US president to step across the boundary dividing North and South Korea.
Imogen Reid 1.06pm: Focus on Hunter Biden ‘a tactic’: Biden
Following a messy discussion on the business entanglements of Hunter Biden, Mr Biden responded by saying it was a tactic used by the President to avoid talking about “substantive issues”.
“There’s a reason why he’s bringing up all this malarkey. There’s a reason for it. He doesn’t want to talk about the substantive issues. It’s not about his family and my family. It’s about your family.
“And your family’s hurting badly,” Biden said.
Mr Biden continued: “In the middle-class families like I grew up in... they’re in trouble. We should be talking about your families. But that’s the last thing he wants to talk about.”
The dig triggered Mr Trump who accused his opponent of playing politics.
“I’m not a typical politician. … That’s why I got elected.
“Let’s get off the subject of China, let’s talk around sitting around the table. Come on, Joe, you can do better.”
Staff writers 1.04pm: So far, a much calmer debate
The final presidential debate was notable for calmer exchanges and less crosstalk between the candidates early in the evening, offering a stark contrast with their chaotic first meeting.
Debate organisers sought to take down the temperature by muting portions of the conversation between President Trump and former Vice President Joe Biden.
During the two minute opening answers for each segment, the candidate not speaking was muted, but the microphones were open during the subsequent exchanges.
Still both candidates also largely kept quiet as the other spoke during the open debate early in the night. In particular, Mr. Trump, who repeatedly interrupted Mr. Biden and the moderator in the first debate, was more measured though he frequently shook his head. He also took a more civil tone with the moderator, asking to respond and saying “thank you” at times.
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Imogen Reid 12.49pm: Trump turns focus to Biden’s son
Mr Trump has now moved on to the recently published emails detailing the business dealings of Mr Biden’s son, Hunter, in Ukraine and China.
The President has been using the issue of Hunter Biden to smear the former vice president’s campaign.
“Joe got $3.5 million from Russia and it came through Putin because he was very friendly with the former mayor of Moscow. He got $3.5 million, your family got that on Sunday you going to have to explain how you got that.
“I never got any money from Russia,” Mr Trump said.
This debate is driving Trump crazy. You can see it on his face. He hates this format. He’s as unhinged, boastful and belligerent as ever. Biden is focused and sharp, and he’s getting under Trump’s skin. #Debates2020 #Election2020
— Troy Bramston (@TroyBramston) October 23, 2020
“All of the emails, the emails, horrible emails of the kind of money that you were raking in, you and your family.
“And you are Vice President when some of this was happening and it should have never happened. I think you owe an explanation to the American people.
“Why is it?”
President @realDonaldTrump to Joe Biden:
— GOP (@GOP) October 23, 2020
“I think you owe an explanation to the American people.†pic.twitter.com/pgmY4WqEeI
Biden hit back, denying receiving foreign money and turning the focus to Mr Trump’s taxes.
“I have not taken a penny from any foreign source ever in my life.”
He tried to turn the tables on Mr Trump: “I have released all of my tax returns. 22 years. Go look at them. 22 years of my tax returns. You have not released a single solitary year of your tax returns. What are you hiding? Why are you unwilling?”
“Release your tax returns… or stop talking about corruption.”
Imogen Reid 12.33pm: Biden slams Trump’s virus response
Mr Biden said the president’s handling of the coronavirus crisis in the US should guarantee he is voted out of office when the country goes to the polls in November.
“[Trump] says, we’re learning to live with it. People are learning to die with it,” he said.
“You hear nothing else I say tonight, hear this: Anyone who’s responsible for not taking control, in fact… saying I take no responsibility initially, anyone who’s responsible for that many deaths should not remain as president of the United States of America,” Mr Biden said.
Mr Biden said his strategy to tackle the virus will be focused on the use of masks and rapid testing.
Biden has the line of the debate so far:
— Troy Bramston (@TroyBramston) October 23, 2020
“Trump says we are learning to live with it (#COVID19) but we are learning to die with it.â€#Election2020 #Debates2020
“I would make sure that we set up national standards as to how to open up schools and open up businesses so they can be safe and give them the wherewithal, the financial resources to be able to do that,” Mr Biden said.
Imogen Reid 12.25pm: ‘If Biden was in charge, 700,000 would be dead’
Mr Trump has admitted he cannot guarantee a vaccine will be ready in coming weeks, instead saying he thinks there will be one by the end of the year.
“I think it has a good chance. There are two companies within a matter of weeks and I think it will be distributed very quickly,” he said.
“Johnson & Johnson is doing well, no donor is doing well, Pfizer is doing well. And we have others we are working on very closely with other countries, in particular Europe.”
Mr Biden reminded viewers that Mr Trump said the virus would “disappear” by April.
“This is the same fella who told you, ‘don’t worry, we’re going to enter this by the summer.’ We are about to go into a dark winter, a dark winter. And he has no clear plan and there is no prospect that there is going to be a vaccine available for a majority of the American people before the middle of next year,” he said.
I’m going to shut down the virus, not the country.
— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) October 23, 2020
Mr Trump responded by criticising Mr Biden’s response to the H1N1 crisis.
“... it was a total disaster, far less lethal, but it was a total disaster. Had that had this kind of numbers, 700,000 people would be dead right now. But it was a far less lethal disease.”
Imogen Reid 12.20pm: Trump defends coronavirus response
Ms Welker has started the debate with a question on the fight against coronavirus.
Directed at Mr Trump, Ms Welker asked the president how he plans to lead the country during the next stage of the COVID-19 pandemic.
Mr Trump said a vaccine will be announced in a few weeks, and added that he had been “congratulated” by the leaders of other countries on his response to the virus.
“We have a vaccine that is coming…the military is going to distribute the vaccine.†-@realDonaldTrump pic.twitter.com/TFoM1ru8OR
— GOP (@GOP) October 23, 2020
“I have been congratulated by the heads of many countries on what we have been able to do, if you take a look at what we have done in terms of goggles and masks and gowns and everything else, and in particular, ventilators,” he said.
“We are now making ventilators all over the world. Thousands and thousands a month, distributing them all over the world. It will go away, and as I say, we are rounding the turn, we’re rounding the corner, it is going away.”
Mr Biden began his rebuttal with the US’s death toll – a grim reminder of the catastrophic impact the virus has had in America.
“220,000 Americans dead,” he said. “We are in a circumstance where the president thus far, and still has, no plan. No comprehensive plan. What I would do is make sure that we have everybody encouraged to wear a mask all the time. I would make sure that we move in the direction of rapid testing, investing in rapid testing.
“And so, folks, I will take care of this, I will end this, I will make sure that we have a plan.”
Brighette Ryan 12.05pm: Moderator kicks off the final presidential debate
Moderator Kristen Welker has kicked off the second and final presidential debate between President Donald Trump and former vice president Joe Biden, who are standing four metres apart.
The debate will be divided into six segments with 15 minutes for each. Each candidate will have two minutes to answer each question. Their microphones will be turned off once the two minutes is over.
The debate will cover six topics: fighting COVID-19, American families, race in America, climate change, national security and leadership.
Imogen Reid 11.55am: Trump arrives at Belmont University in Nashville
Donald Trump has arrived at Belmont University in Nashville, Tennessee, for his final debate against Democratic nominee Joe Biden.
The debate is scheduled to begin shortly.
Imogen Reid 11.14am: ‘Trump will bring up Biden’s son’: daughter-in-law
Donald Trump’s daughter-in-law Lara has told Fox News that Mr Trump plans on bringing up Joe Biden’s son, Hunter, during the debate.
“If the moderator does not bring up these emails and implicate Joe Biden as knowing, when he was vice president, that his name was being used to profit for his family to the tune of tens of millions of dollars from foreign entities, Donald Trump is going to bring it up,” Ms Trump said.
“The American people deserve to know.”
The President is expected to use the debate to raise the issue of Hunter’s business dealings in China and Ukraine. So far, Mr Biden has insisted he has never discussed his son’s business dealing with him.
Imogen Reid 11.01am: Protesters gather ahead of final presidential debate
Hundreds of demonstrators have gathered around Belmont University campus ahead of the final presidential debate.
Protests outside of Belmont where the debate starts in two hours. @WRCB pic.twitter.com/4nDjYemaWB
— Megan Roberts (@megangabie) October 22, 2020
Large crowds of Biden and Trump supporters have travelled to the university in Nashville for the historic moment, some chanting while others are singing protest songs. Passing cars have also been honking and playing loud music, adding to the feeling of anticipation among the throngs of people.
The televised debate is expected to attract millions of viewers and will begin at 12pm AEDT.
Imogen Reid 10.15am: Trump at fundraiser, Biden stays inside before debate
Donald Trump and Joe Biden will face off in an hour and a half at noon AEDT, in a debate that is expected to attract tens of millions of American viewers.
The 90-minute debate in Nashville, Tennessee, will be both Mr Trump and Mr Biden’s last chance to get their campaign back on track before the November 3 poll, following a disastrous encounter in September.
Despite missing Mr Trump’s rallies because lingering illness from COVID-19, First Lady Melania has accompanied the president to Nashville, along with Mr Trump’s daughter Ivanka.
Mr Trump hosted a fundraiser event with his daughters, Ivanka and Tiffany Trump hours before the start of the debate while Mr Biden remained at a local home.
Both Mr Biden and Mr Trump tested negative to the virus before they arrived n Nashville
Anne Barrowclough 9.20am: Mute button may not work for Biden
Joe Biden has spent the week in prep for the debate, with Democrat lawyer Bob Bauer playing Mr Trump, shouting Mr Biden down and throwing insults at him. Despite the mute button, which will be used during the first two minutes of opening statements for each topic, Mr Biden is worried that Mr Trump will still be able to distract him with jibes and interruptions, CNN reports. While the audience at home won’t be able to hear what Mr Trump is saying, Mr Biden will be able to hear every insult and is concerned it will throw him off his stride; so he’s practising ignoring his rival.
Both President Trump and Joe Biden’s campaigns agreed that the plexiglass that was once up in the Nashville debate hall was not needed and should be taken down, Frank Fahrenkopf, head of the debate commission, tells CNN https://t.co/IqhpNcYnkk pic.twitter.com/RAS0nApX7W
— CNN Politics (@CNNPolitics) October 22, 2020
Cameron Stewart 7.30am: Trump’s chance to get back on track
The second and final presidential debate in Nashville (beginning 12pm AEDT) gives Donald Trump his best chance yet to get his campaign back on track.
The debate in Nashville comes as Mr Trump’s Democrat challenger Joe Biden holds a 7.9-point lead nationally with less than two weeks until the November 3 poll. Mr Biden also holds smaller leads across the key swing states that will decide the result.
The rules for this debate have been modified after both candidates openly brawled and spoke over each other during the chaotic first debate in Cleveland last month.
The first two minutes of opening statements on each topic will see the microphone of the non-speaking candidate muted to prevent interruptions.
The debate will be 90 minutes long and will be divided into six 15 minute segments. The topics will be fighting COVID-19, American families, race in America, climate change, national security and leadership.
With a massive TV audience, the debate will be the last major set-piece event during the campaign. It is considered more important for Mr Trump who needs a game-changer to fight his way back into contention.
The president is expected to use the debate to raise the question of Mr Biden’s links to his son Hunter’s business dealings in both Ukraine and China.
Mr Biden has avoided commenting on allegations that he was not truthful when he said had never discussed his son’s business dealings with Hunter.
Mr Biden is expected to try to keep the focus on the president’s management of the coronavirus pandemic in which more than 220,000 Americans have died so far.
Trump campaign advisers have said the president will adopt a less-confrontational approach to this debate after he was criticised for being overly-aggressive in the first debate.
The debate will be moderated by 44-year-old Kristen Welker, NBC News White House correspondent and co-anchor of “Weekend Today.”
Mr Trump has criticised Ms Welker for being pro-democrat, an allegation that NBC has rejected.
Congratulations to @kwelkernbc who will be honored with the award for Outstanding Journalism in Broadcast Television at the annual Washington Women in Journalism Awards on Sept. 24. pic.twitter.com/IuxEfKcoj6
— NBC News PR (@NBCNewsPR) September 3, 2020
“Hopefully he (Mr Trump) will play by the rules,” Mr Biden told reporters at a Delaware airport prior to his flight to the debate.
“Hopefully everyone’s been tested. Hopefully it’s all been worked out what the rules are.”
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