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Kamala Harris vs Mike Pence: Live coverage of the vice presidential debate

US Vice President Mike Pence managed to put Kamala Harris in an awkward position with a question she refused to answer.

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Welcome to our live coverage of the vice presidential debate in the United States.

Vice President Mike Pence and Senator Kamala Harris covered a wide range of topics, from the coronavirus pandemic to the Supreme Court, Donald Trump's taxes, healthcare and foreign policy.

It was, broadly speaking, a more polite affair than last week's car crash of a presidential debate between Donald Trump and Joe Biden. But there was still plenty of tension.

You might wonder why you should care about the vice presidential debate at all. The position doesn't hold much real power, beyond the ability to break tied votes in the Senate.

Keep in mind that Mr Trump, 74 and Mr Biden, 77 are two of the oldest presidential candidates in history. Should they die or become otherwise unable to discharge their duties as president, the vice president is first in line to take over.

So as far as Mr Pence and Ms Harris are concerned, this debate was a chance to prove they were ready for the top job.

Read on to see how the debate unfolded.

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Poll says Kamala Harris won

As always, I want to preface this with the caveat that post-debate polls are pretty much meaningless. Just ask Mitt Romney, who beat Barack Obama 72-20 in 2012's first presidential debate and went on to lose the election pretty comfortably.

For whatever it's worth, though, CNN's post-debate poll today has Kamala Harris defeating Mike Pence 59-38.

The poll also measured people's opinions of the two VP candidates before and after the debate.

Going in, 41 per cent of participants had a favourable view of Mr Pence. That number did not change afterwards.

Ms Harris, on the other hand, went from a favourable rating of 56 per cent to 63 per cent.

Note the composition of respondents, with 38 per cent identifying as Democrats, 33 per cent as independents and just 29 per cent as Republicans.

According to Gallup, which constantly measures the party affiliation of Americans, that's the right number of Republicans, but there should probably be fewer Democrats and more independents.

Four years ago, the same post-debate poll showed Mr Pence beating Democrat Tim Kaine 48-42.

So who won the debate?

Political pundits are obviously having their say on the debate, but before we get to them, let's hear what some undecided voters thought.

Republican pollster Frank Luntz ran a focus group during the event, and its participants preferred Mike Pence to Kamala Harris – though they were not particularly impressed by either candidate.

"The complaint about Kamala Harris was that she was abrasive and condescending. The complaint about Mike Pence was that he was too tired, but vice presidential or presidential," Luntz told Fox News.

"If this is a battle of style over substance, which is often the case with undecided voters – they simply do not choose on policy, they choose on persona – this was Mike Pence's night.

"I want to emphasise it's not that Pence did so well, because they felt both candidates were not answering the questions as well as they would have liked.

"They were more upset with Kamala Harris's reactions to Pence – the smiling, the smirking, the scowling. They were angier at that than they were that Mike Pence went over his time in almost every answer."

Ms Harris certainly was more expressive than Mr Pence in terms of her facial expressions, partly because the Vice President barely moves any of his facial features. Ever. It's one of his more fascinating traits.

OK, on to the pundits.

Over on ABC News, Martha Raddatz defended Mr Pence from the accusation that he interrupted Ms Harris too often and "mansplained" to her.

"When I hear people talk about mansplaining and talk about these things with Kamala Harris, and a man shouldn't interrupt her and it's going to look bad – Kamala Harris is a vice presidential candidate. She should be able to stand up for herself," Raddatz said.

"Yes, you can talk about her history, and who she is, and she's a woman of colour there. But a man can interrupt another vice presidential candidate. It is up to that candidate to talk back, to interrupt themselves, or hold on to that debate in any way they could."

On CNN, liberal commentator Van Jones offered the complete opposite point of view, labelling Mr Pence the "mansplainer-in-chief".

Jones argued Ms Harris had cleared the most important bar in front of her, and now "nobody is saying she could not be president".

"She cleared that bar. It is off the table," he said.

And on MSNBC, former Republican political operative Nicolle Wallace – a vehement critic of Donald Trump – said the debate would probably have no effect on the race.

"The only time these debates have mattered are when the presidential candidate has stumbled dramatically," Wallace said.

She cited the vice presidential debates from 2004, which came after a very weak performance by George W. Bush the week before, and 2012, when Mitt Romney had toweled up Barack Obama the week before Joe Biden took the stage.

"This could have mattered. I don't think it did," she continued.

"The problem tonight is that Mike Pence appeared flaccid and anemic, and that will hurt him with men.

"I think there are going to be questions if he is not feeling that great after this performance. The only time he came to life is when he prosecuted Senator Harris for not answering his question (on the Supreme Court), and he didn't respond in full to a single question from the moderator.

"This is not what they (the Trump campaign) needed. He had to look presidential tonight, and he just looked limp and lame."

You can find some more reaction to the debate here.

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Post-debate panel erupts over interruption

There was an awkward but amusing moment on CNN's post-debate panel, as one of the network's experts, Gloria Borger, got interrupted by former Republican senator Rick Santorum … while talking about men constantly interrupting women.

Borger was accusing Mike Pence of interrupting Kamala Harris too frequently.

"Maybe she did create a meme: 'Mr Vice President, I'm speaking.' And she kept saying that to him, as if to say, 'I'm not finished.' And then he would sort of plough ahead," Borger said.

"And I think that women watching that are going to say, 'Wait a minute, he's-'"

"Don't make the claim that he interrupted her repeatedly, because he didn't interrupt her repeatedly," Mr Santorum interjected.

"He did! He died!" Borger insisted.

The entire panel then proceeded to talk over each other.

CBS actually measured the number of interruptions from each candidate. For the record, Mr Pence interrupted Ms Harris 10 times, and she interrupted him five times.

Anyway the irony of Mr Santorum's interruption was not lost on viewers.

Oh for the love of god

The Biden campaign is already selling a fly swatter, with its usual "Truth over Lies" slogan changed to "Truth over Flies" on the handle.

This thing costs $US10, and I am happy to inform you that buying it here in Australia is not an option, as it would constitute a violation of US electoral laws. Not to mention all laws of good taste.

A frustrating but normal debate

The consensus developing in the wake of the vice presidential debate is that it was frustrating, but in a comfortingly normal way.

Let me explain.

The first presidential debate between Donald Trump and Joe Biden last week was annoying because the two men (particularly Mr Trump) shouted over each other endlessly and hurled personal insults.

It was an absolute circus, and a waste of time.

Today's debate between Mike Pence and Kamala Harris was annoying because both candidates calmly ignored the moderator's questions and talked about whatever they wanted. You know, like in the olden days.

It, too, was largely a waste of time, but at least it was a civil one.

Biden was amused by the fly

I've got to be honest here, the internet is much more excited about the fly that landed on Mike Pence's head than I am.

The people poking fun at the moment included Joe Biden, who for SOME REASON had a photo of himself with a fly swatter just lying around, ready to go.

I assume this will inspire some balls to the wall crazy conspiracy theory about the Democratic National Committee secretly plotting to let the fly loose in the debate hall at an opportune moment.

Trump calls Harris 'gaffe machine'

The debate, mercifully perhaps, is now over.

Donald Trump, cooped up in the White House, has been tweeting out some clips from the event, along with some campaign ads.

He reckons Mike Pence did well.

Pence insists Trump will win

In her last question to Mike Pence, Susan Page asked about Donald Trump's refusal to guarantee a peaceful transfer of power if he loses the election.

"If Vice President Biden is declared the winner and President Trump refuses to accept a peaceful transfer of power, what would be your role and responsibility as Vice President? What would you personally do?" she asked.

"First and foremost, I think we're going to win the election," Mr Pence responded.

"Because while Joe Biden and Kamala Harris rattle off a long litany of the establishment in Washington D.C. establishment that Joe Biden has been part of for 47 years, President Donald Trump launched a movement of everyday Americans from every walk of life.

"When you talk about accepting the outcome of the election, I must tell you – Senator, your party spent the last three-and-a-half years trying to overturn the results of the last election. It is amazing.

"We've all seen the avalanche – what you put the country through for the better part of three years, until it was found there was no obstruction, no collusion, case closed.

"And then Senator Harris, you and your colleagues in the Congress, tried to impeach the President of the United States over a phone call.

"Now Hillary Clinton has said to Joe Biden in her own words – he should not concede."

He then repeated the President's conspiracy theory that mail-in voting could lead to widespread fraud.

That quote from Ms Clinton needs a little more context. She said Mr Biden should not concede "under any circumstances" on election night, because she thinks a surge in mail voting will cause the vote count to "drag out".

There's a fly on Mike Pence

Someone must have left a window open because a fly landed on Mike Pence's head, and stayed there for an uncomfortable amount of time.

Full credit to the VP, who resisted the urge to swat it. The guy is pro-life, after all.

'She never answered the question'

Kamala Harris repeatedly refused to answer a question about whether the Democrats would seek to "pack" the Supreme Court, should Joe Biden become president.

You need some context here. Donald Trump is likely to appoint the next Supreme Court Justice, perhaps before the election, shifting the balance of the court to 6-3 in favour of the conservatives.

Some Democrats have floated the idea of adding a couple more seats to the court, allowing a hypothetical president Biden to appoint two progressive Justices in response.

Mr Biden and Ms Harris have both dodged questions about whether they endorse the idea.

"I think the American people would really like to know – if Judge Amy Coney Barrett is confirmed to the Supreme Court of the United States, are you and Joe Biden, if somehow you win, going to pack the Supreme Court to get your way?" Mr Pence asked Ms Harris.

"I'm so glad we went through a little history lesson. Let's do that a little more. In 1864-" Ms Harris started to say.

"I would like you to answer the question," Mr Pence interjected.

"Mr Vice President, I'm speaking. OK?" Ms Harris shot back.

"In 1864, one of the political heroes, certainly of the President, is Abraham Lincoln. Abraham Lincoln was up for re-election. And it was 27 days before the election. And a seat became open on the Supreme Court. Abraham Lincoln's party was in charge not only of the White House but the Senate. But Honest Abe said, 'It's not the right thing to do.'

"The American people deserve to make the decision about who will be the next President, and then that person can select who will serve for a lifetime on the highest court of our land."

It will not have escaped your notice that she dodged the question.

"People are voting right now. They would like to know if you and Joe Biden are going to pack the Supreme Court if you don't get your way," Mr Pence said.

"People deserve a straight answer. The answer is they are going to pack the Supreme Court if somehow they win. If you cherish our Supreme Court, if you cherish the separation of powers, reject the Biden-Harris ticket, re-elect Donald Trump."

"Let's talk about packing the court then," Ms Harris said.

"The Trump-Pence Administration has been – because I sit on the Senate Judiciary Committee, Susan, as you have mentioned. I have witnessed the appointments – lifetime appointments, to the Federal Courts, District Courts, courts of appeal, people who are purely ideological.

"People who have been reviewed by legal professional organisations and found to have been not competent or substandard.

"And do you know that of the 50 people who President Trump appointed to the Court of Appeals for lifetime appointments, not one is black? This is what they have been doing. You want to talk about packing a court? Let's have that discussion."

Susan Page decided to move on.

"I want the record to reflect she never answered the question," Mr Pence said, getting the last word.

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