‘Someone’s trying to hurt me’: Ellen opens up in emotional interview

Ellen has sat down for two explosive interviews, one of them with Oprah, shortly after announcing her plan to quit her beleaguered talk show.

Ellen DeGeneres has labelled the allegations that she oversaw a toxic workplace “misogynistic” and “too orchestrated” in an explosive interview with US television, shortly after announcing her plans to quit her beleaguered talk show.

Yesterday, DeGeneres said she would front the upcoming 19th season of The Ellen DeGeneres Show before ending the series in 2022.

She hosted its very first episode back in 2003, and has since led more than 3000 shows. But her reputation has copped a beating in the past 12 months.

DeGeneres said she was quitting the job because it was “just not a challenge anymore”.

Today she sat down with the queen of the celebrity tell-all, Oprah Winfrey, to discuss her decision to quit. It was a friendly conversation with only one uncomfortable moment when Winfrey brought up the topic of Ellen’s staff being out of work when the show comes to an end.

Before that interview aired, DeGeneres also spoke to Savannah Guthrie, the anchor of NBC’s Today program. Unlike the Oprah interview, which skirted around the many scandals Ellen has faced in the past 18 months, Guthrie tackled the allegations head-on.

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“When I come out here, it’s not like I have to fake it … what’s not easy is for me to turn it on when I feel sad inside. That’s the depression.” -Ellen DeGeneres on the mental toll of hosting her talk show for nearly two decades pic.twitter.com/B2vPCRs6My

— TODAY (@TODAYshow) May 13, 2021

Ellen’s Today interview: hitting back at her critics

Guthrie asked whether the workplace allegations had “anything to do” with her decision.

“If it was why I’m quitting, I would not have come back this year. Because everything happened, what you’re talking about, last summer,” DeGeneres said.

“Honestly, I really did think about not coming back. Because it – I mean, it was devastating. Because it started with me, it started with attacks on me, and attacking everything that I stand for and believe in and built my career around.

“I am a kind person. I am a person who likes to make people happy. I am a people pleaser. This is who I am. And so when I started hearing, reading ridiculous things, and then it just kept going and going and going and going, and it was during the summer so I didn’t have any platform to respond to it – I just kept saying to Portia, if I was a fan of somebody, even if I loved them, but I kept seeing something go on this long, I would think there must be some truth to it, because it’s not stopping.

“So that made me think, someone’s trying to really hurt me. And then right on the heels of that, I read in the press that there’s a toxic work environment, which – I mean, I had no idea. Never saw anything that would even point to that.

“There was an investigation which found out there were some things that happened that were not OK, and we took care of that. But it was horrible timing, because it was me, then it was the show, then it was a thing that just felt like, why do I want to go back? When someone clearly – it felt personal. It felt like someone really did not want the show to come back.

“And I thought, if I don’t come back, they win. And I’m not going to let them win.”

Ellen DeGeneres speaking to Today. Picture: NBC

“Did you feel like you were being cancelled?” Guthrie asked.

“I really didn’t understand it. I still don’t understand it,” said DeGeneres.

“Yeah, I thought something was going on, because it was too orchestrated, it was too co-ordinated. And you know, people get picked on, but four months straight for me?

“And then for me to read in the press about a toxic work environment, when all I’ve ever heard from every guest that comes on the show is what a happy atmosphere this is, and what a happy place it is.”

Guthrie pushed back a little on this point, saying people would be wondering how DeGeneres was so oblivious about her own employees’ work environment.

“I don’t know how I could have known when there’s 255 employees here. And there are a lot of different buildings and a lot of different areas,” DeGeneres protested.

“And I delegate. There are bosses to each area. It is my name on the show, so clearly it affects me, and I have to be the one to stand up and say, ‘This can’t be tolerated, we need to make changes, what can I do?’

“Unless I literally stayed here until the last person goes home at night, and checked in with 255 people ... but I do wish somebody had come to me and said, ‘Hey, something’s going on that you should know about’.

“But there’s no way that – I wish I knew. And of course people are thinking that I should know. But it’s not, there are not 50 people here. There are 255 people here. And I just had no idea.”

Later in the interview, DeGeneres said the backlash against her was misogynistic.

“I have to say if nobody else is saying it, it was really interesting, because I’m a woman, and it did feel very misogynistic,” she said.

Ellen’s Oprah interview: Ignoring the elephant in the room

Talk show titan Oprah Winfrey appeared remotely on today’s episode of The Ellen Show, explaining that she “had to be there” to support her longtime friend. Those expecting a Harry-and-Meghan style expose from Oprah would’ve been disappointed, as she completely ignored the scandals that had threatened to sink Ellen over the past 12 months.

Winfrey began with a question: “How are you actually feeling? How are you really feeling?”

Ellen explained that she had been OK until she started to make the announcement during her opening monologue in the previous day’s episode. “Suddenly it became real… obviously I got emotional,” she said.

Oprah asked Ellen about her claim that she knew several years ago she wanted to wrap up her show on season 19.

“As much as I absolutely love this show - and I do, I love everyone here and I love everything about it — there are just different things as a creative person I feel I need to do,” said Ellen.

Oprah told Ellen she was “proud” of her for “trusting her instincts - because I know there must be a lot of people around you who want to keep that train moving”.

But Oprah told her friend she expected she would “miss the camaraderie of the audience”. She asked Ellen what it had been like telling the crew of her plans to end the show.

“It was hard,” said Ellen. “There were tears… It was really hard. I DO love everyone here, we DO have a relationship… I wanted to give them a year to celebrate with me and stay with me.”

Ellen appeared visibly uncomfortable when Oprah spoke about the guilt she felt finishing her own show, knowing that her staff had “built their financial life” on the program continuing.

Ellen appeared uncomfortable when Oprah mentioned her staff being out of jobs.

“Car insurance, mortgages, college educations being paid… for everybody on that staff, they have built their financial life based on this show. For me, that was hard too,” said Oprah, as Ellen looked off camera uncomfortably and shifted in her seat.

Winfrey and DeGeneres have a long history together, with Oprah appearing in a key role as Ellen’s therapist in the 1997 episode of her sitcom that saw her character – and Ellen herself – come out to the world.

Just hours after her announcement yesterday, one of DeGeneres’ former employees went on the attack. Former producer Hedda Muskat gave an explosive interview to Sunrise.

Muskat, who was one of the first producers hired to work on the show during its debut season, said its demise had come because viewers had finally “woken up” to Ellen’s true nature.

“The viewers have spoken. Her ratings have been in the toilet for a long time now. Her show has not been fun, it has not been interesting, and she’s not really ‘stepping down’ – the viewers fired her,” she said.
Muskat alleged that DeGeneres “despised” her non-celebrity guests, and claimed the talk show titan was not in a position to interview real people because she really couldn’t carry a conversation with them.

Asked what she thought DeGeneres should do once her obligations on the show come to an end, Muskat said her former employer should “work on a farm with all of the animals and the pets and the dogs and the cows and the pigs because she can relate to animals far more than she does with people”.