I Catch Killers: Gary Jubelin and Pamela Young talk about dating while in the Police Force and the cases that broke them
Even when sharing a bed, the job never stopped for Gary Jubelin, according to his former partner Pam Young, who has spoken for the first time about the impact of work on their relationship.
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Former top detective Gary Jubelin’s ex-partner has spoken out about the toll his work took on their relationship, revealing he would even answer his work phone while they were having sex.
Retired Detective Chief Inspector Pamela Young and Jubelin worked for 20 years together during their police careers and dated for much of that time.
Their romance featured in the 2012 release of Underbelly: Badness, which chronicled the investigation into murderer Anthony Perish.
Speaking on Jubelin’s I Catch Killers podcast, Ms Young explained why the pair were ultimately incompatible
“Every time we were having sex, your phone would ring,” Ms Young, a 30-year police veteran told Jubelin.
“(I) can understand (why they called), you know, busy cases, and on call, and all that.”
“But it was the fact that you answered it, Jubelin, that is unforgivable and disrespectful and very disappointing.”
“They were important phone calls. Half the time they were informants,” Jubelin replied.
Ms Young hit back asking: “The other activity wasn’t (important)?” leading Jubelin to apologise to his former partner.
“I’m digging myself into a hole,” he said.
“Anyway, I regret that Pam, I apologise. I publicly apologise for answering the phone whilst having sex.”
The show’s host did regain some credit in Ms Young’s eyes for being both “a very passionate and generous lover” and being “very good at cleaning the house”.
“That combination was perfect,” she said.
Jubelin finished his 25 year career with the NSW Police homicide detectives in 2019 before beginning a career as a national investigative reporter and podcaster in 2020.
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Ms Young was a veteran detective of the unsolved homicides unit at NSW Police, and in 2013 was tasked with assessing the need for a reinvestigation of the 1988 murder of Scott Johnson.
Johnson was an American mathematician who travelled to Canberra to be with his partner, Australian musicologist Michael Noone. But shortly before gaining his citizenship, Johnson was found dead, having fallen from a Manly cliff.
The death was ruled to be a likely gay hate crime in 2019, leading to a NSW police apology to victims of likely gay hate crimes who never received adequate investigation. A year later Scott White was charged with Johnson’s murder, and was later convicted for nine years on a manslaughter charge.
The former detective also detailed her experience with sexism as a police officer, once being told she would not be accepted for a senior position in the NT Police force on the basis of her sex.
“It (the job) was all about briefs of evidence and investigation (and the) management of crime scene preservation. Hello, I wrote the manual (on that),” she explained.
“The superintendent told me I wasn’t going to be allowed to apply for the job. At least he told me it was because I was a woman, to my face.
“We had a cup of tea, (and he) tells me to my face, ‘yes, you are the most qualified, but they’ — meaning the Northern Territory — ‘won’t want a woman’.”
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